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Post Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 11:08 am 
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Figured I would also document my 19-1 build over here. So I moved some posts and pics to put on this board.

I just picked up a 1971 19-1 that is gutted. It has a FL homemade HID but it is a 19-1 (Dont know if gull or osprey as the console and tag is gone.) When I mean gutted, there is nothing of the old boat left except the hull. There are new wood stringers tabbed in that are pine and the transom has been done in marine ply. The problem is that the person used poly and didn't kick it right so a lot of it is gummy/soft and there are blobs of green resin everywhere. Therefore I do not trust any of it. Since the boat will be my daughters, I must do it over and make sure it is right. (She liked the cap and the lines more than her 200 osprey and wanted to do this hull. With having this cap, the money was right. This hull uses less HP, is 4 inches narrower than my 222 and 3 foot shorter. Plus since it is a 1971 cheaper in the registration. Not to shabby :thumleft:)

Also, I know on some of the flatbacks, the keel was filled with wood and some with a compound. I don't know if the 19-1 was the same on the building of the keel. There is no damage to the outside keel area and the inside glass does not look compromised. Should I look into it or just leave alone. I will do this boat the same as my 222. Grind all old glass out, new layer of 1708, Coosa 1 1/2" transom, lost mold foam for stringers, coffin for tank, glass over stringers with 2 layers of 1708 on them, 3/4 in Nidacore deck with 1 layer on bottom and 2 topside, and 1/8" layer of Divinycell for the sides for stiffness and sound deadner, Prisma beams for core and stiffness. Full transom with a Porta with platform and trim tabs. NO WOOD. Almost a mini me of the 222. However the daughter designed the inside compartments she wants.

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Post Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 11:10 am 
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Here are the photos
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And a pad :mrgreen:
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Post Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 6:36 pm 
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Well, finally got those nasty stringers cut out. What a pain. It was too dark to take photos, will post up tomorrow. I must say, the guy actually helped me out by not doing any prep work prior to putting the glass down. Lots of dry stuff under the heaping amount of resin and can pull a lot up. No bedding material under the stringers so the tabbing was all holding in place. I found that I can run the sawsall under wood and cut the tabbing that is left. This will reduce the grinding I hope :cry:

Now the fun begins, grinding and prepping for new glass on the hull, then blocking the hull so I can replace the transom that they put in. Due to the many issues I found I will replace it as well. Not worth going back later due to there being a problem. I will do it the same as the 222, 1 1/2" Coose 26 with 5 layers of 1708db, mat side down, and alternating between 1800 on both sides with 4" overlaps on the inside and outside for thickness and strength. It will be a full transom and I will use the left over from the sheet for knees.

I am thinking I might run a 60ish gal belly tank over the 35 one I have right now, but still on the fence and that is still down the road. I wont do the stingers till I get my tank decision done. At least the weather in the evening is under 95 :mrgreen:

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Post Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 6:37 pm 
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Here are the photos as promised.
These are photos of hte 2x6's cut out
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In this photo there is still wet resin under the hard top layer
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Here is a shot of the wood removed
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Under it was nothing by dry mat (No resin) and no bedding putty for the stringers. That makes my job easier
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Small area that I was able to grind and prep for later
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I plan on doing the grinding in sections, using the installed bulkheads as guilds to help pace it out. As you can see they painted some unknown substance on the front inside hull area. That also needs to be removed. Once all the grinding is done and the inside prepped, I will put the boat in the garage, put it in a cradle, square it up and redo the transom. No sense in doing it in the garage now and get that nasty dust everywhere.

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Post Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 6:37 pm 
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I've been busy grinding. Have the white stuff removed from the bow hull sides, the entire port stringer and 2/3rds of the starboard stringer removed.
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You can see what happens when you do not prep for polyester resin correctly. These came off in sheets
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And in this photo you can see the dry woven where no prep or resin made it, which the sheets in the prior photo came from
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So upon seeing all this, I am taking it back to the woven and redoing the entire hull. This way there will be no issues down the road. On a good note, the prior owner did not attach the wood stringers to the wood transom then fiberglass in. He attached on the outside of the fiberglass. The stingers when I was removing them had no resin on them. It appeared they were just put down in some resin he made up then tabbed in place but it did not attach to the wood. I can take my air chisel and pry bar and pop them with little effort.

Oh I how much do I hate grinding :roll: Can't wait for it to be done so I can move forward with 2 new layers inside then the stringers. Also need to get 1 1/2" Coosa for the transom. Going to redo the entire boat with no wood. My daughter plans on keeping this boat for a long long time.

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Post Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 6:38 pm 
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Drilled the transom drain plug area to help with drainage during grinding and to see how it was installed. Glad I did, no resin on the ply and it was not puttied to the skin. But you can see how thick the outer skin was and the pieces in the back ground
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The good news is that all the stringers are out and the front 1/2 of the boat is ground and ready for glass :bounce: I plan on putting 2 layers going 90 deg to each layer inside the entire hull to reinforce it. If you look at the picture below, is where the original stringers were. You Can see the shadow mark on the hull sides and just inside towards the keel.
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Post Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 6:39 pm 
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While waiting for the heat to cool down and work, I did some researching on this hull. It appears that the 20 Proline shares the same or similar transom as the 19-1 but does not have the strakes at the rear as the 19-1 does. Here is a picture I found of a 20 Proline transom shot
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and the photo of mine
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Close up shot
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Now here is my questions and maybe the Proline guys have the answer to this:
1. Since they are very similar how do they run and what type of speed does a 115, 135 and a 150 push this hull at?
2. Would a 135 or 150 be better over a 115 due to the livewell/leaning post, t-top, full transom, electronics, bigger fuel tank (50-60 gal)

I know what the boat was originally rated for, twin 60's put the hull speed at wot at low to mid 30's with not much weight on the boat, but that was 125 hp in 1970's time frame with the newer tech out there, we can and do put more HP on it. Not looking for speed demon, just don't want to be under powered either. Low to mid 40's is all I am after at WOT and cruise around low to mid 30's. From what I have been reading is that with a 150, they get into the mid 40's.

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Post Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 6:39 pm 
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I'm seeing the finish line on the grinding for now. Maybe 2-3 hours left for now.
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Made some progress and have only a small section left. Where the transom was tabbed to the inside came away from the hull really easy and pealed up from the original glass. Just used a cut off wheel to seperate the piece. Once I got the glass up, this cut down on grinding a lot.
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After I am done with the grinding, will move it to the garage for transom replacement and skinning the entire hull on the inside with all new glass. Going to order the Prisma Composites hull stiffners and coring.

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Post Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 6:39 pm 
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Grinding is done for now, found a few thin area and a slice in the hull bottom from where the prior cut the stringers out and went a little to deep with the saw, but hey it can be fixed.
Moved it to the garage and plan on 2 layers of 1708 up 7" on the hull sided with overlap down keel for a total of 4 on the keel area. This will be done wed evening and left to sit for 2 days before being moved back to its resting space. Also found a Moeller 50 gal tank at Marine Surplus. Will fit without issue and be moved just enough forward enough to take advantage of the deep bow.
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Here is the interesting thing, when I braced it up along the chine area, I noticed something particular, the chine has a curve from the middle towards the bow and stern
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I had to pull the bow up for the stern to get onto the braces. I used 2 flower garden stones with a piece of ply to cushion it
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I put a level on the keel and its flat and level, I also checked the casting deck flange on to see if level and yes it was. Also checked side to side and it was also level :cheers: Yes the garage door does close with 1/2" to spare.
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Those are 2 2x12s sandwiched together with 4x4's for a brace. They are level, it's just the angle of the camera. If you look, the bow is deeper than the stern where it sits in the water. So that explains why water sits in the front of the old flatbacks and these 19-1s as well.

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Post Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2014 9:41 pm 
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Now this is a rebuild thread, Kevin thanks for moving it over here, much appreciated my friend.

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Post Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2014 11:49 pm 
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No problem, :1121_wink:

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Post Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2014 8:01 pm 
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I think I found a copy to the 19-1. If you look at the late 60's early 70s 19 Mako you can see the similarities
1969 Mako Transom Shot
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And my transom shot.

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See the very close similarities. Real close

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Post Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2014 8:02 pm 
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Got a nice deal on a 47 gal Moeller tank today, came with the gauge as well. Fits in the hull very nice. Came out of a 21' Sea Fox bay boat that was crashed. Has the fill and pick up on the ends where I want it. I also like the port side fill, will make it much easier at the pump sSig_tablet2
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And I picked up this as well

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I edited it to have it flipped, but the edit would not save.

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