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Post Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2016 1:47 pm 
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So I've decided to pull the trigger on a new 115hp 4 stroke and wanted to get your guys thought's and input. You all haven't let me down yet, and I trust the input on this site. Im currently pricing 2 brands. Mercury and Suzuki. Here is the general breakdown of both.

Mercury 4S 115hp (3 year Standard Warranty)
  • Weight 359lbs
  • 8 Valve SOHC
  • Displacement 2.1
  • Gear ratio 2.07:1
  • Bore/stroke 3.5 x 3.2"

Suzuki 4S 115hp (6 year Standard Warranty)
  • Weight 401lbs
  • 16 Valve DOHC
  • Displacement 124.7
  • Gear ratio 2.59:1
  • Bore/stroke 3.40 x 3.50

This motor will be used in Saltwater 99% of the time. Let the fun begin, can't wait to hear your comments, Good and Bad. Thanks in advance

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Post Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2016 3:35 pm 
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Awesome, you'll be tickled with either one! Which one is less and by how much percentage wise?

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Post Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2016 5:35 pm 
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i vote mercury.

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Post Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2016 5:50 pm 
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I personally would go with the Mercury. #1 reason is it's 42 lbs lighter! #2 parts availability #3 made in USA #4 you can get an extended warranty for a few hundred clams.

I'd check into the scheduled maintenance and who has to do it down the road. Are there valves to adjust? Belts to replace? Some motors have to go to the dealer for scheduled maintenance.

DOHC cam is neat but that just adds more weight and more moving parts and more things to cause drag inside the engine.

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Post Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2016 6:03 pm 
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Ok Skoot,
Here is where I'm at on this. Pros and cons. I'll try not to be biased here.
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1) My 2 stroke carb'ed 115's weigh in at at 348# so Merc has a home run at 359# for weight comparison so you have a good chance that the scuppers may still behave.
2) I Like the less complex valve train, less moving parts, simpler design, which is where the weight savings probably comes from.
3) 2:07 gear ratio, bullet proof well tested gearcase. This will get you into a reasonable prop pitch, thinking 18 pitch which should give you a decent hole shot and good top end. Probably would need a 20" pitch on the Suzy with the 2.5 ratio which may give you a slower hole shot which is probably why they need the extra valves to get it breathe and maintain a reasonable top end.
4) The Suzy has it hands down on standard warranty, 3 years for the Merc verses 6 years for the Suzy. I would research what your out of pocket scheduled maintenance would cost to maintain the warranty on the Suzy and understand those details to see if it is really better value.
I'll start to dive into serviceability for each of these engines and look for clues.

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Post Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2016 7:06 pm 
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What are the rigging costs? Also what about instruments? Is there a minimum instrument requirment for the warranty?

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Post Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2016 7:13 pm 
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Mercury

SOHC
No value adjustments, ever
Larger displacement
Easy to service / DIY maintenance
American made

You need to price not just the motor but also all he rigging. Is the Suzy more expensive? I don't know, but if it is those savings can be used on additional warranty. You can get 5 additional years of warranty on the Mercury for a total of 8 years. Good luck with your decision.

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Post Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2016 7:20 pm 
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i havent done much research on either but mercury is tried and true. ive been hearing some issues with corrosion on the zukes but have not confirmed that. that 6 year warranty is eye catching though

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Post Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2016 7:22 pm 
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If this is a in the box deal, he just has to come up with a binnacle control box, wire harness, cables and the gage's he needs and he's either hauling over here to be rigged or to your shop Bruce! I'll feed him a ribeye and a beer or 6, take him to Flagler Beach, tuck him in at night if he doesn't meet some nice gal, test run next morning and have him on the road Sunday afternoon.

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Post Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2016 9:11 pm 
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Thanks everyone. A lot of Merc fans on here. Bruce/Farley the scheduled maintenance can be done yourself, except for the high pressure fuel filter, and possible a few other little things. As for belts, im not sure?, but I know both have timing chains. Fernando would probably know more in this area. As for rigging instruments, neither motor has a minimum requirement, but i would want at minimum a tach/warning monitor Bruce, I sent you a pic of one of the quotes I received for the zuki. I have not fully priced a Merc yet.

Farley thanks for your input, always a valuable one. Thanks for the offer, but the Ribeye and beers.... that would be on my dime my friend. The weight is a huge plus for sure, and good to know about the bulletproof gearcase.

ceejkay= Ive heard several reports of corrosion issue too. something to due with more copper in the metals used.

As far as out the door cost for the motor alone the Merc is approx $600 less. As for rigging costs ive only quoted the Suzuki (tach w/monitor, binnacle, Harness, prop, misc.) $1300 not including install.

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Post Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2016 9:24 pm 
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Just to stirthepot.gif there are some good deals on Etecs right now, If memory serves 6 year warranty and free rigging :mrgreen:

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Post Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2016 9:40 pm 
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I was gonna bring up the etec too....

I can bring you to a buddy's shop in Clearwater to see the pile of zukes and yammies there with corrosion holes in the blocks.... he sees more zukes than anything.

We can hang that thing in my shop in no time.

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Post Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2016 10:00 pm 
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Not stirring the pot at all. Hell I like the etec's, Always seemed quite a bit higher $$ from what I've found. But with the free rigging and 6 years warranty, its defiantly worth a check. Maybe you did just stir the pot. hahaha

Burce, now thats one hell of an offer, and hard to pass up. Dinner/drinks and fishing trips would be on me. Thanks again; I've been hearing quite a bit about the corrosion issues from my research, and I trust you on that one. Good call.

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Post Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2016 11:00 pm 
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Our buddy Capt John (Gone Fission) has been in the market for new power.

He reports recent corrosion issues with the Yams. And Suzuki's have been plagued on and off with corrosion/paint defects. He has just purchased a new 200 Mercury, ready to install.

The boys say Merc...swing batter! :mrgreen: :605_thumbs_up:

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Post Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2016 11:16 pm 
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Skoot,Ft lauderdale boat show is coming up soon,you may be able to get either a better deal or extended warranty,better financing,anyway you can price them all and talk directly with mfgs on site as well as selling dealers,may be worth a trip.

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